If you're turning on the TV to find intelligent conversation, you might want to skip by MSNBC.

WDIV (Detroit) Reporter Hank Winchester reported on the fact that some people in Detroit have stopped paying their water bills because they feel like “they are always going to get water.”

The Detroit Water and Sewage Department has fired back by shutting off water for more than 12,000 people who haven’t paid their bills,

Winchester was brought on to MSNBC to discuss his story. Also, joint him was welfare activist Maureen Taylor.

If you were hoping for a smart discussion on the issue, we have some bacd news for you.

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